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The Swirling  »  Swirling  »  Borax Method  »  Can you give me tips for swirling metal? (runs and bubbles problems)
Can you give me tips for swirling metal? (runs and bubbles problems)
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#1 Posted : Monday, November 28, 2011 1:30:10 AM(UTC)
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Hi,

I have a smaller scale projet that I want to achieve (before going on a whole guitar) and it is on metal. Right now, I've attempted twice to swirl with the method (borax) shown on this site.

The main problem is that the paint doesn't seem to stick on it and runs down after I remove the object from water.

I know it's all about testing, and that the borax method doesn't always give the same results, but instead of trying 100 times, maybe I could save myself a few disappointments by getting some help from this forum.

So here is what I do, if you find something that might cause the problem, please notify it to me:

-I lightly sanded the metal and applied a few coats of white primer.
-I use water at 70 degrees, and a little bit more than 1 tbs of borax per galon. (waited 20mins before swirling)
-I use humbrol enamel paint
-The paint wasn't really homogeneous so I shaked it briefly (I just read this could cause the bubbles)
-I first tried with about 6-7 drops of 3 different colors and then tried with 2-3 drops of each color (results resembling) (object is small, maybe it's still too much paint. It's kinda hard to only put a little)
-After dipping it, I removed the paint on the surface with a paper (but I find it more difficult to do that it's shown in the tutorial videos, it seems like I doesn't completely stick to the paper, so I have to do it 2 or 3 times before taking out the object from water).

When the object is in the water, it looks perfect, but when I take it out, the paint starts to run and it gets messy. Black color seems to be the worst. It looks gooey and slowly runs on the surface of the object.

Red color looks thinner when it's dropped in the water, and it looks like it's working better (no runs). Black is looking thicker and sometimes looks like it's coagulating on the surface of water.

So, any advice?

Thank you very much
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U cant paint straight forward into metal I believe, u have to prime that so the paint has a substrate to stick to
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:44:03 AM(UTC)
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im not sure if it would help or not but you might try some etching primer, it helps paint to stick to metal and chrome and smooth surfaces. that may not be your problem but it may help. i use it when i paint my bridges and hardware. everyone says that 78 degrees is the best water temp and the ratio on the borax is one and one half tbl spoons per gallon. the amont of paint is definately crutial. i struggle with the results with humbrol paints also. i still havent found a perfect model for good results and ive been working on it for quite a while. i get some good ones and some bad ones. the last advice i recieved i havent tried yet. a guy told me me he uses 2 1/2 cups of borax to 32 gallons of water. i never looked up or figured out how many tbl spns this averaged out to because im done for the winter. he said heat the water to 78 degrees and use oil based enamel paint. this is close to the method i use and have tried and it doesnt work well for me but ive got some tweaking to do with the info he gave me. ive watched his swirling vids and his stuff comes out pretty good. another issue you may have is hard or soft water. i have really hard water where we live and im sure it affects the whole process but im not sure how to counteract the problem. i hope some of this helps you. unfortunatley swirling is a learning process of trial and error for most of us. just keep at it. you will find something that works sooner or later. on the lighter side ive learned if you get some water spots and some small runs or globs you can still get it to look descent if you finish it right. ive had some turn out pretty rough and i didnt want to redo them because of a couple spots. ive learned that you can put 2 to 3 good coats of clear on the swirl. let it cure then i wet sand with 1000 grit paper until the bumps and rough spots are smooth. be carefull not to sand to much or you will get into the paint to deep. you just want to level the finish off. after you have the paint feeling smooth and to your liking i hit it with 2 to 3 more wet coats. let it cure and wetsand and polish if needed. ive got lucky a few times and the 2k clear i used came out like glass so i never touched it. this is the way i do it and ive saved a couple that i thought werent going to be that good with this method and they turned out nice. so if you get some rough spots or bubbles or light runs you still have a choice if you do it right and the paint isnt really bad. like i said this works for me so its anybodys choice to try it if they want im not saying it will work on every swirl thats not all that good but its saved me a couple of times and by the way this is the same method i use when my swirls come out good also. you want to make sure you have enough clear on it before you start wetsanding or its game over.
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