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Offline fralph09  
#1 Posted : 05 September 2011 21:55:13(UTC)
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My first attempt with testors enamel went pretty well. Mostly because i think the paint creates nice swirl patterns and the colors are brilliant (particularly the green, as my experience with bright humbrol greens was awful). It does skin over fairly quickly, but it is entirely possible that testors just has a different ideal temp.

After i pulled the wood out, in one area the paint was all clumpy and not flat and smooth on the surface. I'm gonna keep trying to find out how to make testors behave because its SO EASY TO FIND. (Hobby Lobby has them for $1.50)

Everybody who has been testing testors....feel free to add findings in here! I think its worth figuring out if maybe we can "cure" the problems people have with it.

I'll post a picture of my humbrol vs testors experiences soon
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#2 Posted : 07 September 2011 02:41:38(UTC)
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Today I tried the testors again with great success. It was not clumpy and only skinned over quickly in one area but constantly stirring with the item used to mix the colors before dipping makes it go away long enough to dip. I used a ratio slightly greater than 1.5 tbsp / gallon of water. I dipped at a low temperature of around 19 or 20 degrees Celsius. (about 67 degrees Fahrenheit)
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Offline Customsound79  
#3 Posted : 10 April 2012 15:35:29(UTC)
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I had much better results with Testors. My Humbrol experience was horrible not to mention that it takes 2 weeks to order any. Humbrol may work best for those in the UK because it's made there. All of the cans of signal green I bought had the pigment packed like concrete on the bottom. The Testors is fresh in the USA.

With that said I can't wait to try your suggestions because it did need some very minor treaking.
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#4 Posted : 28 April 2012 09:22:25(UTC)
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I use model masters which is made by testors... Haven't swirled a guitar but I have testested quite a bit and swirled my bow and it turned out great I swirl at about 72-75 degrees 74 seems to be best and put 2 tblsp of borax per gallon.
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Offline Rabihz24  
#5 Posted : 02 July 2012 14:56:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: fralph09 Go to Quoted Post
My first attempt with testors enamel went pretty well. Mostly because i think the paint creates nice swirl patterns and the colors are brilliant (particularly the green, as my experience with bright humbrol greens was awful). It does skin over fairly quickly, but it is entirely possible that testors just has a different ideal temp.

After i pulled the wood out, in one area the paint was all clumpy and not flat and smooth on the surface. I'm gonna keep trying to find out how to make testors behave because its SO EASY TO FIND. (Hobby Lobby has them for $1.50)

Everybody who has been testing testors....feel free to add findings in here! I think its worth figuring out if maybe we can "cure" the problems people have with it.

I'll post a picture of my humbrol vs testors experiences soon


My first swirl attempt happened yesterday and i used Testors enamel..My problem was its drying out fast on the surface and thinning...Its like a glass film that breaks out when you try to swirl it...Like a reptile skin that is just shed out.
Water temp at first was 22 or 23..put it up to 28 and it got realy bad..
Borax was about 2 tbs per gallon.
Should i use 19 to 20 degrees celcius water temp? What could be the problem???

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#6 Posted : 03 July 2012 14:12:14(UTC)
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As a support to the original statement that Humbrol Signal Green Sux, it does. I had the EXACT same experience with it. And I REALLY wanted to like it, but alas, it sux. Alot. To the point where in order to get any green on an item, I had to base coat in that green.

I had the same experience that the dyes were clumped on the base of the tin and when applied to a solution that would work with other colors, it would nuke the dip. It would basically "Oil" all of the other colors to the edge of the surface and that situation was un-recoverable.

I have applied massive stirring, no change. Thinners to attempt to recover that dye at the bottom, only flooded the dip with paint thinner and made other more reliable colors respond poorly. And this was done with the Humbrol Thinner product.

There are several Humbrol paints that work great. I have found that to be most of the "darker" colors. However, many of the more "Flruo" colors like the Signal Green (208) and the Ferrari Red (202), are fouled and will not work correctly. Pink (200) has failed initial tests. Come to think of it, anything in the 200s has been crap so far...

Conversely, the black, white, purple, Orange (18), French Blue (14), Grey (40) work fantastically.

So, when Humbrol works, it is superior to all others I have found so far. Or, with the wrong one, it will KILL your dip and maybe the entire solution if you try to thin it.

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Offline Ryan71  
#7 Posted : 03 July 2012 20:54:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rabihz24 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: fralph09 Go to Quoted Post
My first attempt with testors enamel went pretty well. Mostly because i think the paint creates nice swirl patterns and the colors are brilliant (particularly the green, as my experience with bright humbrol greens was awful). It does skin over fairly quickly, but it is entirely possible that testors just has a different ideal temp.

After i pulled the wood out, in one area the paint was all clumpy and not flat and smooth on the surface. I'm gonna keep trying to find out how to make testors behave because its SO EASY TO FIND. (Hobby Lobby has them for $1.50)

Everybody who has been testing testors....feel free to add findings in here! I think its worth figuring out if maybe we can "cure" the problems people have with it.

I'll post a picture of my humbrol vs testors experiences soon


My first swirl attempt happened yesterday and i used Testors enamel..My problem was its drying out fast on the surface and thinning...Its like a glass film that breaks out when you try to swirl it...Like a reptile skin that is just shed out.
Water temp at first was 22 or 23..put it up to 28 and it got realy bad..
Borax was about 2 tbs per gallon.
Should i use 19 to 20 degrees celcius water temp? What could be the problem???




Rabih,
I was wondering if you saw fralph09's second post where he spoke of lowering his temp and finding some success? I am thinking that maybe a slight increase or decrease in borax within that temp range might be the next step. I'll be interested to see how it goes!

Ryan
Offline Rabihz24  
#8 Posted : 05 July 2012 01:28:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ryan71 Go to Quoted Post
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Originally Posted by: fralph09 Go to Quoted Post
My first attempt with testors enamel went pretty well. Mostly because i think the paint creates nice swirl patterns and the colors are brilliant (particularly the green, as my experience with bright humbrol greens was awful). It does skin over fairly quickly, but it is entirely possible that testors just has a different ideal temp.

After i pulled the wood out, in one area the paint was all clumpy and not flat and smooth on the surface. I'm gonna keep trying to find out how to make testors behave because its SO EASY TO FIND. (Hobby Lobby has them for $1.50)

Everybody who has been testing testors....feel free to add findings in here! I think its worth figuring out if maybe we can "cure" the problems people have with it.

I'll post a picture of my humbrol vs testors experiences soon


My first swirl attempt happened yesterday and i used Testors enamel..My problem was its drying out fast on the surface and thinning...Its like a glass film that breaks out when you try to swirl it...Like a reptile skin that is just shed out.
Water temp at first was 22 or 23..put it up to 28 and it got realy bad..
Borax was about 2 tbs per gallon.
Should i use 19 to 20 degrees celcius water temp? What could be the problem???




Rabih,
I was wondering if you saw fralph09's second post where he spoke of lowering his temp and finding some success? I am thinking that maybe a slight increase or decrease in borax within that temp range might be the next step. I'll be interested to see how it goes!

Ryan


I did see his post about the water temp...
I tried all possible tests and combos..More borax, less borax, no borax, lower temp and higher temp...
I went and bought Pebeo oil based paint...Expensive stuff...A bit better but still the same problem...
Went ahead and dipped it after taking the film out on top of the surface...the swirl wasnt that bad but i hd paint accumulation and bubble on some spot..not 100% satisfied...I might try to light water sand the paint to see if i can level it out. Just waiting for the paint to completely dry..
I had a reply from my youtube posts about the problem, and an expert replied saying i should never swirl in the summer when its hot and humid...The aire temp is to hot and the paint is drying out fast when exposed to the outside air. He suggested to use thinner with the paint to prevent it for drying out...Or swirl in an air conditioned room.
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Offline Ryan71  
#9 Posted : 05 July 2012 01:42:18(UTC)
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That is weird. All of my swirls have been done when it was 70+ degrees and I have had few problems. I guess I have just been lucky. I am planning to practice on an old beat up RG next week. Laying down the white basecoat prior to the ol' dunking. Wish me luck!
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#10 Posted : 05 July 2012 12:11:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ryan71 Go to Quoted Post
That is weird. All of my swirls have been done when it was 70+ degrees and I have had few problems. I guess I have just been lucky. I am planning to practice on an old beat up RG next week. Laying down the white basecoat prior to the ol' dunking. Wish me luck!


Seriuosly man at this point i dont know what is happening...I put so much effort and money that i wish i payed the guy where i bought the Body from $20 to swirl it for me...
What paint you going to use? and would love some pics of the result..

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